Installed: DWS 06 285/35R19 x4 + Spacer Pr0n

"TheStiggyOne" (thestiggyone) 10/18/2018 at 15:36 • Filed to: None

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Installed the third set of tires on my Cadillac yesterday... second set that I paid for during my ~5.5 years of ownership and daily driving.

When it came time to replace the factory Michelin Pilot Sport PS2s a bit over 3 years ago, I opted to go with the Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3s. Since then, I have had a bit of a love/hate relationship with them, which I detailed in !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! :

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Despite the unseasonably warm weather we have had recently (we have had afternoon highs of up to 18C for the past couple of weeks) , I simply did not want to drive on the Michelins at all this winter. I also wanted to do it early enough to escape the inevitable rush and / or gouging that happens as drivers panic by the first cold snap.

So, here they are, Continental ExtremeContact DWS 06 in 285/35R19, mounted on 4x factory 9.5x19in “Sedan Rear” wheels in Satin Graphite, aided by 12mm “ spacers” in front and 15mm “adapters” in rear (both hub-centric + wheel-centric):

Here is a picture of one of the Michelin A/S 3 that came off. Like I said, probably still good for a few months yet, especially in light of our current mild weather. Regardless, off they go!

Finally, h ere are the pictures of the spacers and adapters I ran to make this “Sedan Rear Square Setup” work, back when I bought the A/S 3s. The original front wheel and tire sizes are 9x19in with 255/40R19 tires... and for those who wish to mount the rear whees and tires onto the front, wheel spacers of at least 12mm are required to clear the front suspension.

For aesthetic reason, then I bought 15mm wheel adapters for the rear. It was unnessary to do so, so it was purely for looks.

As for why “spacers” for the front but “adapters” in the rear: extended studs are highly recommended to pair with any spacers install, just to ensure that the wheel nuts still have enough threads to bite into. For this car, it is relatively trivial to replace the studs in the front axle, but to do the same in the rear will require a LOT of labour. Opting for adapters makes life easier for all involved.

Then why not also “adapters” in front as well, you might ask ? Well, t heir minimum thickness is 15mm, because the pressed-in studs need enough material to hang onto. I thought that might end up being too much “poke”.

You might wonder, what about those original studs sticking up like that...?

...well, the wheels are actually designed for them!

404 - User No Longer Available > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 15:44

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I was actually debating getting those or my Firehawk Indy 500s.

This week’s near-zero temperatures should’ve made me regret my decision on the Indys but I’m surprised they weren’t that slippery even when it was this cold.

Arrivederci > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 15:46

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The DWS is what I run on my winter wheels for the S3.  Good all-around tires, and more than enough grip for my car in bad weather.

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > 404 - User No Longer Available 10/18/2018 at 15:51

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Same here. I thought I would be sliding around on my Indys but they are fine, I can carry the same speed as always. -1C here today morning.

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 16:08

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happen to take any pictures of the V from a little further away with its new wheels?

dogisbadob > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 16:19

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Do you use a separate set of wheels/tires for the winter ? I know you said you kept the factory PS2 (summer tires) on until they wore out, but then you replace them with all-seasons, so I wasn’ t sure.

TheStiggyOne > dogisbadob 10/18/2018 at 16:52

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No, just one set.... Vancouver Canada winters are usually really mild, with only a couple of days that might get bad enough that I will opt to take public transit.

Indeed, the Province-wide Winter Tire requirement  allows M+S as minimum and only outside of the Lower Mainlands.... Where I am in Vancouver proper is actually exempt.

Though, I would usually replace the factory Summers with Ultra High Performance All Seasons, mostly just for the treadwear. I ran Pirelli P-Zero Nero M+S on my 2004 E46 330i ZHP, Conti DWS on my 2013 E90 M3, and a couple of UHP All Seasons on the Cadillac as in my post.

TheStiggyOne > Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs 10/18/2018 at 16:59

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I have ran this “square” setup since getting the A/S 3s over 3 years ago, so all pictures of this car since then are with this wheels configuration. Though, not yet with these tires... so maybe later for those ;-)

Here are a couple from the BMW Club trip back in August 2016, which ought to be representative:

dogisbadob > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 17:25

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Cool

Too bad they don’t make any of those 3-peak all-season tires (“all weather tires”) in your size 285/35-19

TheStiggyOne > dogisbadob 10/18/2018 at 18:49

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:-P

The V2 is gear-limited to 195mph and certainly has the power to get there. Of course I will never do that, but the tire choice has to be at least somewhat capable. So Y-rated (186mph) it shall have to be.

For what I get up to, I probably do not need the outright performance of a true summer tire... but I still need some:

Then, for that (rare) actual snow or (not so rare) cold rainy days, the DWS family is about the best choice in the category:

I certainly had no issues with the original DWS I ran on the E90 M3... the oft-mentioned “soft sidewall” I “cured” by pumping them up to 36psi. I only went with the Michelins because my GM dealer can get them cheaper than Continentals, while usually it should be the other way around.

DasWauto > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 19:55

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I have the A/S3+ on my WRX for my 3 season setup and can confirm they are better than the old A/S3 I had on my Golf for mild winter conditions, or when you get antsy and switch off the winter tires a little too early here in Ontario. The DWS06 is still better in snowy conditions though, the tread pattern is just more suited to dealing with precipitation. While they’re in the same category, t he Michelins just lean a bit more to the performance side, which is why I chose as I have a dedicated set of winter wheels/tires. 

TheStiggyOne > DasWauto 10/18/2018 at 20:10

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Yeah; Michelin swears up and down that the A/S 3+ is now fixed and perform properly. TireRack testing seems to confirm that. Every testing since launch places it above the DWS 06 in every category. To boot, my GM dealer gets Michelins awfully cheap: I could have saved at least $50 CAD per tire vs. the Continentals, which is backwards than what you normally expect.

So my head says to buy the A/S 3+, but after its predecessor left me stranded on the side of the highway onramp for ~4hrs... thankfully with nothing damaged except for my pride... my heart will not let me :-(

dogisbadob > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 21:16

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cool

My favorite tire in that category is the Dunlop Signature HP. That is what would be on my car if they were available in my size (205/65-15) , but the Falken ZE950 is what I have on my car now, and they aren’t bad for a performance all-season tire The only W-rated tire in this size (original spec is H, even though the top speed is 142)

I would’ve suggested the Signature HP and ZE950 if they were available in your size.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 21:47

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I just removed a set of these off my GTI that had tons of life left because the road force and cupping was so bad I couldn’t stand the vibrations and weird pulling I'd get . I hope you have better luck.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > TheStiggyOne 10/18/2018 at 22:24

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The Contis are good tires.  Ran them on my first gen CTS-V, but they weren’t very nice in the snow.  Only ran them for one season before I grabbed dedicated winters.  

Yowen - not necessarily not spaghetti and meatballs > TheStiggyOne 10/19/2018 at 08:30

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Looks great, thanks!